Starter relay, 1200 Sport 4v |
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magwa
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Click no start click is somewhere under the side panel on the offside. Same fault as the original start to this thread but my bike has different lighting ( x2 small) relays and no modification to the wiring I guess I need to get it modified Electrics arn't my forte Edited by magwa - 27 May 2017 at 15:24 |
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Brian UK
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Can you get near the terminals on the back of the starter solenoid? If you could all you need to do to start it is flash across from the top main terminal (from the battery) and the little spade one. Provided the ignition switch is on it will turn the engine and of course should start.
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Mike H
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If you're having to scrape crud off the relay terminals problee best need a new one. The insides can be similarly corroded too. Hence effectively insulating the contacts.
I always try to spray relay + fuseboxes, WD40 or ACF50, helps protect any parts that are permanently connected to battery live. |
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magwa
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A new starter relay ordered, I'll put it in and if the 'problem' is cured I will then do the suggested wiring modification. I think Coolonthecoast will need to do the same modification I cleaned each and every relay terminal today and every connection I could disconnect/ re connect. Then bike started first push of the button I'm still going to do the wiring modification Wd40 rules Screwdriver pointing at the offending relay new is about £14 from gutsibits Edited by magwa - 29 May 2017 at 14:43 |
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guzzigraham
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I blame Magwa for mentioning it.... my 2v 1200 Sport did this to me on Saturday. Ho hum, some wiring of relays to do me thinks!
I pulled it out of the shed and started it briefly with no problems. Let it run for a minute or so and then turned off, sorted a few things out, came back to it and.... click ! The first click was a biggish one which sounded like the starter being thrown ... but no rotation. After that I'm only getting the relay click. I expect that I could have a stuck starter and I've heard tell of gummed up workings as the old grease goes a bit waxy. I've not had a lot of time to look, so not even checked for the famous blown 15A fuse I've also seen mentioned here and there. Oh well, some investigating to do first at the weekend. I'll be interested to hear how you get on with a new relay Magwa
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Brian UK
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When you get that clunk and no rotation it is because the solenoid has thrown in but not far enough to make the contacts which get the motor turning. Trick is to immediately flick the start button out to the kill position. This should stop the fuse blowing.
I did find on my starter that the solenoid had grease round the plunger which had gone sticky. Cleaned that out (and actually put a smear of light oil on it). The movement of the pinion along the shaft was quite free.
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magwa
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Here's the relay http://www.gutsibits.co.uk/pr/TheShop/index.php?q=starter+relays&f=d&Model=2&search=SEARCH My bike has 25,000miles on the clock of commuting and has lived it's life outdoors before being " restored" at 9yrs old the relays are my first port of call. |
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Brian UK
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Well the general experience world wide is that the wiring mod is more likely to cure the problem.
One other thing to check and that's the big earth cable to the engine, connected to the top screw holding the starter motor cover. These are quite feeble and there isn't much depth of thread. Check they are clean and tight.
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cooleronthecoast
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Yes, I'll certainly be doing the wiring mod when I get the opportunity. Her indoors has degreed that house alterations take presidence so my free time is somewhat limited at the mo.
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Jeez what is it with wimmin?
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Brian UK
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Yes, I get that problem from time to time, you have my sympathy.
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GuzziSport8V
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Eventually I had to replace the starter motor on mine last year. First tried replacing the relay, and did the wiring mod, but then found the starter would sometimes not throw on properly even when taking the solenoid terminal directly to battery live.
It had previously become troublesome on a trip to the Peak District the year before that, blowing the 15A fuse and even jamming, so when I got home I cleaned out and lightly lubed the solenoid. It held up for about a year. |
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As an update to anyone still interested - I had a chance to look over the bike last night and it was the 15A ignition relay coil fuse that blew. This is Fuse B in the small auxiliary fuse box
which is under the seat just forward of the frame brace which passes across the bike. So my problem was a bit of a run down battery which I can look into as well as improving the wiring. Next stop Maplins for a hand full of 15A fuses.
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So lucky Annie rides a bike so if there is EVER A CHOICE TWIXT BIKE NEEDING TLC OR HOME DESTROY IT YOURSELF ...the bike wins every time !! she really is 1:1,000,000
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magwa
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New relay fitted
problem fixed |
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Magwa
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