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Some time ago at what was the BMF show and at many GP's Arai used to check and x-ray one of their lids and issue a safety certificate .... Annie had an Arai the basic one that at 8 yrs was still good ... 
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I'm just thinking of the conversation now with the NEC manager

"Yeah, we'll be pumping out a few milli-Roetgens a day, but don't worry, it'll barely add up to the dose they'd get riding to Chernobyl..." LOL

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I usually ride with full face helmets, and do have an older flip-up one for when I was doing Blood Bike runs and needed to speak to people without having to take the helmet off.
But I do think that my Griso requires a different look, ie an open face style, but that didn't sit easy with me.
The flip up (if homologated) would do the job, but not the look of the thing!
So Ive recently got one of the "jet style" helmets, where the chin bar can be rotated right over to the back of the helmet, and in some of the manufacturers, looks quite sleek, whereas others, don't!!
So that's my compromise. If I'm just mooching around with no great speeds involved, I'll flip it back, or if I'm covering distance on motorways, it reverts to the full face.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andy M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 08:07
Originally posted by PhilBuck PhilBuck wrote:

... I do think that my Griso requires a different look, ie an open face style, but that didn't sit easy with me.
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Too right. Literal victims of fashion are out there Unhappy. Cruiser riders mostly, soaked, frozen and unprotected because ripped denim and lids styled after war souvenirs have a look they like Ouch.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 12:59
To be honest rarely see the ripped jeans and German Helmet type riding gear nowadays. That "look" died a death in the 70's.

There was one of those "surveys done not too long ago that showed heavy denim was as good as cheap leather, the armoured denim better than cheap leather. I have some very heavy Wrangler and Levi jeans bought in Florida they are way heavier denim than you can buy in the UK they are "Rodeo" quality jeans.  

How opinions change over the years. 1920's racing gear consisted of "Stout Boots" cap on backwards, goggles, Gauntlets and tweed. 

By the 60's piss pot cork lined lids leathers too.

It was not really until mid 70's full face lids became available and many were designed for use in cars therefore actually more likely to cause severe neck injury when used on a bike. 

I remember my 1st lid, when wearing one was optional was an open lid piss pot with leather sides but it had an attached visor, Next one was a Stadium Jet with detachable peak with the all important "Moon Eyes" 

It was sometime later I went and got measured for an "Owen" helmet with blue lining at the time they were expensive and compared to a modern base model Arai or Shoei lid the visor was awful and the lid very comfy but heavy. 


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Originally posted by Ken-Guzzibear Ken-Guzzibear wrote:


How opinions change over the years. 1920's racing gear consisted of "Stout Boots" cap on backwards, goggles, Gauntlets and tweed. 


Not quite true.  Helmets (such as they were) wee compulsory at the TT from 1914. Things changed in 1935 with the death of T.E. Lawrence. The doctor that attended Lawrence, Hugh Cairns, initiated a study due to Lawrence’s death, as he realised that the brain lesions were directly correlated with those accidents where no protective helmet was worn.

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For most of my riding I wear a Shoei full face. I always buy plain white, usually the "lesser" model (Ryde currently). I also have a Davida classic style open face. I wear this when riding my classic style bike, but only when the weather is favourable. I tend to use the David visor rather than my goggles. The field of vision is much better when wearing this (so better risk likelihood score), but the risk of damage should an accident occur is higher (so higher risk impact score). Arguably they cancel out risk-wise, but practical considerations such as rain in the face, bugs in beard, heat etc also come into play. When I started riding helmets were not compulsory. I did occasionally ride without one but at that time with hair and beard the length they were it took a long time to untangle/comb out the bugs..... Quite liberating for the odd ride though.
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Originally posted by Ken-Guzzibear Ken-Guzzibear wrote:

surveys done not too long ago that showed heavy denim was as good as cheap leather,


It's a detour from the original post, but it's criminal that biking gear can be had made of cheap leather.  Traditional biker leather is the top outer skin of hide and is as tough as its reputation.  However the lower inside slice of the hide is fibrousy with a loose internal structure,  it's cheap to buy cos no one really wants it and cheap to process because it's soft and weak - ideal for fashion  garments.  Such a shame the cheap product is foisted onto unsuspecting bikers.

I ride in both premium Hideout leather trousers (as sold to Police) and kevlar lined biker jeans made by Hood (back in the day the manufacturer of UK Wrangler jeans).  One feels indestructible, one is ideal for off-bike wearing.

Tony

PS I began with a Stadium Jet open face in the early 70s but by the mid 70s anyone on a bike of 100cc or more all wore full face - I think my plastic AGV full face cost about £20!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Simond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2022 at 22:32
Vote for Hood jeans.  I have a couple of pairs.  

Hope I never need to try them out, but they fit well, and feel very solid.  I don’t have the armour in them, but wear them all day at work, as well as the morning and evening commute.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BondEquipe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 16:04
Originally posted by TooJuicy TooJuicy wrote:

It's a detour from the original post, but it's criminal that biking gear can be had made of cheap leather. 

Legally it can't anymore and Trading Standards have been doing rounds at the shows shutting down firms that are either claiming that their cheap crap is CE Approved or selling fashion leather as protective gear.
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just bought a new caberg duke 2,  very light, comfortable and quiet.  my 5th caberg
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Originally posted by Jim Mac Jim Mac wrote:

just bought a new caberg duke 2,  very light, comfortable and quiet.  my 5th caberg

I'll be going back to a Caberg Duke after my unsuccessful dalliance with a Shark convertible or whatever it's called. The Caberg is not over priced either.
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