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Topic: Changes to UK MOT for older vehicles.
Posted By: Brian UK
Subject: Changes to UK MOT for older vehicles.
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 08:33

If you have an older Guzzi this could be good news, vehicles over 40 years old will be exempt from the annual MOT, though any owner can ask for a voluntary MOT if he/she feels the need.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/644412/government-response-to-exempting-vehicles-of-historical-interest-from-roadworthiness.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/644412/government-response-to-exempting-vehicles-of-historical-interest-from-roadworthiness.pdf


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Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.



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Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 09:53
Whilst admitting that I did not read the whole document word for word I did read most of it and tried to pick out the salient points;
 
Any machine over 40 years old from 20th May 2018 is going to be exempt from an Mot, as it is exempt from road tax, but the facility is there to allow any owner to mot their vehicle if they so wish, with a number of reasons given, they are better looked after, less likely to be involved in a RTC, reduction in financial and time outlay for owners, and of course, the inability of some garages and testers to relate to the older vehicles and their idiosyncrasies..... linked brakes?????
 
Being an owner of one that fits into that bracket, and does look after his vehicle to the best of my ability it is beneficial to me, and I am more than happy that such legislation will be coming into force.
 
I will lay money, just as, when the same  pre 1960 exemptions came into force you will have some owners of older vehicles arguing against it, ' people will get slack on maintenance, not look after properly, etc., etc., it should still be mandatory and I will still be getting a MOT and so on'. That may well be the case, but I know for a fact 2 buffoons, (sorry pretentious older vehicle owners), who held/hold those views have of course taken full advantage and not, after all their bluster, submitted their vehicles for a MOT.
 
As for me there is no hypocrisy involved at all I am quite delighted that it will come into force, as we road users don't often get a decent deal from the government, and I doubt I will submit my bike for a MOT, I will look after it the way I normally do but go for a MOT?, extremely unlikely!
 
 
The only wee bit of concern I do have is that from the late '70's onwards, in the bike world, the high powered big bikes were coming onto the scene with ever increasing hp and they had  handling, and on a number of occasions, owners, that didn't match the power so before you know it these bikes will be falling into the exempt bracket, maybe there should be a hp limit for exemption?.
 I may not be the brightest when it comes to legislation so I'm sure the powers that be have already considered that aspect, not just with bikes but with the supercars of the eras that we are now entering time wise.
 
I, as I mentioned, am pleased this piece of legislation will come into force, it makes a change from legislation that demands that should I wish to sell my cucumber it  must only have a bend of less than 20 degrees!
 
 


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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 10:05
According to the research statistics, only 3% of road traffic accidents are caused by mechanical defect, and since the number of vehicles exempted from the MOT is very small compared to the total on the road, I suspect there will at worst, be only a marginal problem.
Remember in France, they have never had any check on motorcycles of any age. They are now having to bring them in for modern bikes.
 
The only worry is that some stupid individuals may take advantage of this and get an old vehicle back on the road for cheap transport. Though the law still requires all vehicles to be in a roadworthy condition.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 16:20
Call me a cynic (Chorus of, "You're a cynic") but I can't help but see this as a first step to 'reducing' historic vehicle use. I can see the arguments, "Polluting, not safe, not meeting current standards, etc."

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Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 17:36
Originally posted by BondEquipe BondEquipe wrote:

Call me a cynic (Chorus of, "You're a cynic") but I can't help but see this as a first step to 'reducing' historic vehicle use. I can see the arguments, "Polluting, not safe, not meeting current standards, etc."
 
You're a cynic................... but you may indeed have a point! Smile


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2000 Ducati Monster M900
1958 Wife


It wisnae me, a big boy done it and ran away!

"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!"


Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 18:38
Ha ha. That means my Cali has its final MOT on Tuesday but I am definitely in The cynic camp regarding the future plans of the mandarins


Posted By: tonti
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 13:03
My car MOT man fails most cars on blown bulbs ,no washer fluid, and non working indicators. I'm in favour of the free mot as i maintain my bikes way beyond whats required . What others do is up to them.


Posted By: IanB
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 13:07
Originally posted by tonti tonti wrote:

My car MOT man fails most cars on blown bulbs ,no washer fluid, and non working indicators.

However, he just so happens to have a good selection of bulbs and washer fluid always in stock....


Posted By: tonti
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 13:09
ProbablyLOL


Posted By: IanB
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 13:12
About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 14:20
Originally posted by IanB IanB wrote:

About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.

No. It hasn't happened for the pre 1960 stuff. Insurers will not insist on this. You might find some who will only cover sub 40 yr old bikes going forwards though I suppose.


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V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: IanB
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 11:39
Originally posted by cyclobutch cyclobutch wrote:

Originally posted by IanB IanB wrote:

About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.

No. It hasn't happened for the pre 1960 stuff. Insurers will not insist on this. You might find some who will only cover sub 40 yr old bikes going forwards though I suppose.

Seems to have happened even sooner than I thought:
http://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28004" rel="nofollow - http://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28004
(Guzzi Club registration may be required, but refers to Club Facebook page anyway),


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 15:37
Oh yeah.

When you think your bike is still insured while on SORN. Shocked


BTW that link goes to board index, the real link is:
https://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28004" rel="nofollow - https://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28004

But yes is private topic, need to be a logged in member.

The gist:
Carol Nash and other insurance companies' cover become void if bike has no MOT certificate. (Meaning expiry of cert. at 1 year since last test.)

Hence, check with your insurer before considering SORN. Shocked



HTH




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Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 16:33
That reads
"No current and valid Mot " you must inform your insurance company as your bike is considered to be a "Project"

Quite how the National Motorcycle museum gets on with this "crap " who knows

I'm with Carole nash ( since 1980) this is a new one on me


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Magwa
2002 Triumph Sprint ST

1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 18:13
Used to do this all the time, declare SORN and let MoT expire, of course before SORN just let the tax expire as well. Was as a matter of course, especially if taxed for 6 months only. BUT always insured, just in case some scrote nicks it from home address etc. So now we have to check with insurer if we're taking it off the road and MOT etc. will expire.






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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 11:10
I've just emailed my insurer (Peter James) and will report back. I have one currently MoT-exempt bike, one that has a current MoT but will become exempt with the new regs, and one which will take a while to reach that status.


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 15:05
I had a very prompt reply from Peter James. I had asked whether MoT-exempt bikes would need a "voluntary" MoT for insurance purposes.

Their reply (slightly ungrammatical but I think clear):

"Good Afternoon

 Thank you for your email.

 We can confirm that if a motorcycle is MOT Exempt, it will not affect the insurance policy, meaning they do not require a voluntary MOT.

 Hope this answers your query."



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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 15:14
That's fairly clear then, but will other brokers agree?

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 16:30
I don't know, having been with Peter James for a number of years now. I find them far better than the other brokers - CN etc all seem to have been taken over by big companies and have lost the expert knowledge they once had.

If I was with one of the others I would ask the question. It would be interesting to see how they all reply.

I do know that most if not all of the "classic" brokers use the same underwriter - Equity Red Star.


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 01:04
Yep, ERS here too. Via Bennetts & Bikesure.

I read elsewhere that CN is just a brand name only these days, having been took over by Groupama, who are French.


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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 10:46
Have you asked Bennetts / Bikesure what their policy is?


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 15:01
Looked on the Peter James website.

Do they do modern bikes as my year bike was not on the list.


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 15:17
They do but I don't think their prices are particularly competitive as it's not their core business. Worth a call though.


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: Motty
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 21:02
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

I had a very prompt reply from Peter James. I had asked whether MoT-exempt bikes would need a "voluntary" MoT for insurance purposes.

Their reply (slightly ungrammatical but I think clear):

"Good Afternoon

 Thank you for your email.

 We can confirm that if a motorcycle is MOT Exempt, it will not affect the insurance policy, meaning they do not require a voluntary MOT.

 Hope this answers your query."


Thank you for asking the question, I'm insured with PJ and expected them to require MOT exempt bikes to have an actual MOT.
Looks like it might be good news for the old RD :-)


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Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 22:00
My LM2 is a 1980 so will be tax/MOT exempt from 2020.

However talking to my local MOT man who owns a few tax exempt classics, he reckons that as my bike was registered in the first week of January 1980 then it was clearly manufactured in 1979 and, as such that if I contact DVLA and explain this then it could be exempt from 1979 as the exemption is based on year of manufacture rather than registration, anyone know anything about this?


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Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 00:40
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

Have you asked Bennetts / Bikesure what their policy is?


It's all in the "small print". Big smile

Bennetts policy:
2. What is not covered
2.5 Any Claim or service offered by this policy where the Insured Vehicle is found to be in an
unroadworthy condition or does not have a valid road fund licence or valid MOT certificate at
the time of the Insured Event.

Bikesure:
General conditions
1. We will only provide the cover described in this insurance if:
. . .
6. You must take all reasonable steps to protect your motorcycle from loss or damage, and to maintain it in an efficient and roadworthy condition. You must let us examine your motorcycle at any reasonable time. (< Bennetts have this too.)

Section 2 — Loss of or damage...
If a Total Loss (write-off)
. . .
If we ask, you must send us your motorcycle registration document (V5c), MOT certificate, the purchase receipt for the motorcycle, all keys and any other relevant documentation before we agree to settle the claim.

^ That's the only mention of a MOT certificate.

HTH




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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 08:15
But you can be sure all that was written before the changes.
 
You should specifically ask them how that applies to vehicles which no longer require an MOT.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Raeburn
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 08:18
Originally posted by Dukedesmo Dukedesmo wrote:

My LM2 is a 1980 so will be tax/MOT exempt from 2020.

However talking to my local MOT man who owns a few tax exempt classics, he reckons that as my bike was registered in the first week of January 1980 then it was clearly manufactured in 1979 and, as such that if I contact DVLA and explain this then it could be exempt from 1979 as the exemption is based on year of manufacture rather than registration, anyone know anything about this?


My T3 was reg. in Jan '76 so it was accepted manufactured in'75

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Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 09:55
Originally posted by Raeburn Raeburn wrote:

Originally posted by Dukedesmo Dukedesmo wrote:

My LM2 is a 1980 so will be tax/MOT exempt from 2020.

However talking to my local MOT man who owns a few tax exempt classics, he reckons that as my bike was registered in the first week of January 1980 then it was clearly manufactured in 1979 and, as such that if I contact DVLA and explain this then it could be exempt from 1979 as the exemption is based on year of manufacture rather than registration, anyone know anything about this?


My T3 was reg. in Jan '76 so it was accepted manufactured in'75

Interesting, did you contact DVLA about this at the time for tax exemption? 


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Le Mans 2
Ducati 916

Ducati M900


Posted By: ranton_rambler
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 12:43
The DVLA website needs an update but currently states 1 January 1977 as the cut-off date for manufacture, or 8 January 1977 for registration. I expect these will change to 1978 when they get round to it.


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 13:27
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

But you can be sure all that was written before the changes.
 
You should specifically ask them how that applies to vehicles which no longer require an MOT.


I would expect the ruling to apply only to vehicles that legally NEED a valid certificate.

MOT exempt, and, less than 3 years old, don't come into that category.


Question

So, bit difficult for me to comply with the rule as neither of mine are >=3 years old.


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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 14:07
I wouldn't rely on what you may (quite reasonably) expect but would ask them.


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 14:15
Originally posted by ranton_rambler ranton_rambler wrote:

The DVLA website needs an update but currently states 1 January 1977 as the cut-off date for manufacture, or 8 January 1977 for registration. I expect these will change to 1978 when they get round to it.

Will be a bit unfortunate if they use the 8th January as the cutoff date as mine was registered on the 9th...   Cry  


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Le Mans 2
Ducati 916

Ducati M900


Posted By: Ianboydsnr
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 19:02
Originally posted by Dukedesmo Dukedesmo wrote:

Originally posted by ranton_rambler ranton_rambler wrote:

The DVLA website needs an update but currently states 1 January 1977 as the cut-off date for manufacture, or 8 January 1977 for registration. I expect these will change to 1978 when they get round to it.


Will be a bit unfortunate if they use the 8th January as the cutoff date as mine was registered on the 9th...   Cry  


My convert was registered on the 8th January 1980, so only a couple of years to go


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 13:10
My V50 is a 1980. I'd be looking forward to it a whole lot more if I didn't have a big birthday coming that year (if I'm spared, and if Labour don't get back in power by then).

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V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 14:09
Originally posted by cyclobutch cyclobutch wrote:

if Labour don't get back in power by then.


One of the few things I am looking forward to.......


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: rapheal
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 22:52
Well My elderly morris is now MOT exempt
but in the general scheme of things 40 quid is not a lot compared to the cost of the refurbishment, but I suppose once its finished it mileage will be so small each year it would not change very much
although I plan to have a full examination and inspection carried out
its a pity they dont drop the road tax on my Breva though
80 odd quid a year is a lot for the few miles I do
if it was on the petrol I would profit from that and on the car as well


Posted By: Hustler
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 08:41
Originally posted by rapheal rapheal wrote:

........its a pity they dont drop the road tax on my Breva though
80 odd quid a year is a lot for the few miles I do .......

You could simply keep the bike on Sorn and just tax it when the mood takes you.

Then at the end of the month if you aren't likely to be using the bike for a while put it back on Sorn again. 
 




Posted By: rapheal
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 13:29
oddly I have done that this time, I pay my VED monthly, so I stopped it at the end of November
will probably re start in in march
but its still silly money for such a small motorcycle


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 14:30
You know it costs you more to pay monthly?

I usually tax my bike* for a year when the first decent weather arrives (generally in March) then cash it in when the weather gets too unpleasant - usually October although sometimes November. Much cheaper and more flexible.

*Not the Norton or Ariel of course which are free so stay taxed all year round......


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Ian
1952 Norton ES2
1955 Francis Barnett Cruiser 75


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 12:03
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

You know it costs you more to pay monthly?

I usually tax my bike* for a year when the first decent weather arrives (generally in March) then cash it in when the weather gets too unpleasant - usually October although sometimes November. Much cheaper and more flexible.

*Not the Norton or Ariel of course which are free so stay taxed all year round......

Yeah – me too. I’ll tax various during March to June, then start SORNing again October/November time. Whilst interest rates were riding so low I taxed for the full twelve months rather than six as I figured it would work out cheaper. Not quite sure where the threshold would be for that.

And yes, an increasing number I don't have to pay on which stay street legal the year round. 



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Butch
V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'



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