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My Nephew had a puncture in his rear tyre last September, when we toured Belgium
it was his fault anyway for going down all those grotty farm tracks, ( cheap satnav on his phone)
he tried a tin of that tyre weld and it was not much good so we ended up pushing the bike
the nail had gone in and out through the sidewall !!
I did suggest before we left a tube of that tube sealer stuff, as the farmers use it on their ATVs round here to stop punctures from thorns and flints
glad I stuck to tubeless tyres !!
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Even in a tubeless tyre you would have no hope if the nail went into the tread then out through the sidewall.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2018 at 14:04
Last year an acquaintance found he got the tip of one of those snap off blade knives in his rear tyre. We were checking outv of a hotel and he had about 160 miles to get back home, somewhere near Reading I think. We were in Doncaster.

Got RAC van out, but RAC guy said yes can plug it, but will be limited to 40 mph, and anyway won't make 160 miles. Ouch

So left him waiting for the recovery trailer.

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Don't know just how big a hole you can plug.

My experience with a VTR 1000 I used to own: audible rear puncture while in a city tunnel, immediate total deflation, no layby, just managed to exit at 10 MPH with traffic swerving by.
The tear was big enough to easily push my contact key through. No FO to be found.
I walked a mile to a bike garage I knew of, the guy said buy a plug kit, I'd never heard of them.
I walked back and stuffed in 2 plugs side by side, inflated with a canister, gingerly took off.
I then asked a very-high-mileage rider about changing the tyre, he said "No, I've done thousands of miles with plugged tyres". He was right, never had a problem.

You never change a car tyre because it's plugged.

Now riding exclusively the T3, I'm seriously thinking about the TUBELISS solution I mentionned.

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I think people are getting confused with emergency plugs that are fitted externally and a proper mushroom plug made by Schrader that is fitted from inside.
If you can fit a plug from the outside then it is a get you home measure like the aerosol can puncture remedy, the internal mushroom is a permanent repair although some people will not repair a front tyre full stop. I have seen small holes stopped with a pk screw as a get you home! i know of a British championship winning sprint bike sold to my friend had 4 patches on the front inner tube. Be safe people.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2018 at 20:16
Well I use those sticky shoelace plugs. They form a knot inside the tyre, so never move. I have repaired numerous tyres with these and never had a problem since.
I was introduced to them when I got a puncture in NE France in the car. Fitted spare then people we were staying with took me to local Citroen garage who repaired the tyre with one of these things. Told me it was good for the remaining life of the tyre. Wouldn't take any money either.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jpc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 06:56
My comments were also about the "sticky wick" variety. After reading Exmoorbeast's post I combed the net for comments on motorcycle use. They're all over the place from "never exceed 40 MPH and change tyre ASAP" to "Good for the rest of the tyre's life".
My experiences make me lean towards the latter for a rear tyre, not so sure about a front...
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From personal experience, I would never patch a tube in a front tyre.
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Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:


From personal experience, I would never patch a tube in a front tyre.
I've rode with foam in the tyre and plugs for the rest of the tyre life never worried me in tubeless but the point Brian makes is the line I would never cross
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Exmoorbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 09:25
We used to use Barum real rubber inner tubes that could be Vulcanised ( patch welded with pressure and heat) but now tubes are mostly synthetic so don't take a cold patch too well .I can't remember the last time I saw a vulcanising machine but I do remember the smell! The Tireless product is interesting but is meant for off road bikes that are ridden for a max of a few hours between checking the pressure or changing the tyre & at almost no pressure so not suitable for a road bike, good idea though,like the Bib mousse .I am always amazed that we don't get more punctures really.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jpc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 09:38
I've contacted the Dutch distributor for TUBELISS, it's not officially approved or certified for road use but "some people use it".

I've also seen ladders in US hardware stores labeled "Not for climbing on" or words to that effect.
Or in the '70s, glossy picture ads for bikes in US magazines, with NEVER a person riding them or even sitting on them.

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Well I guess you may only find out if said patch doesn't work once ! To be honest a tube is not that bulky and does not take long to replace
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Originally posted by Ken-Guzzibear Ken-Guzzibear wrote:

Well I guess you may only find out if said patch doesn't work once ! To be honest a tube is not that bulky and does not take long to replace

Assuming you're carrying the tube, tyre spoons, a pump, some sort of lubricant and find a support for the bike in the case of the front tyre, timewise you're kidding, right ?Question


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 10:57
Originally posted by jpc jpc wrote:

I've contacted the Dutch distributor for TUBELISS, it's not officially approved or certified for road use but "some people use it".

I've also seen ladders in US hardware stores labeled "Not for climbing on" or words to that effect.
Or in the '70s, glossy picture ads for bikes in US magazines, with NEVER a person riding them or even sitting on them.

"You pays your money and you takes your chances."  Ermm
Until the day it causes an accident, causing lots of damage to a third party, then the insurance company have a get out clause, and you end up with a big bill.
 
Is it worth the risk?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 11:01
Originally posted by jpc jpc wrote:

Originally posted by Ken-Guzzibear Ken-Guzzibear wrote:

Well I guess you may only find out if said patch doesn't work once ! To be honest a tube is not that bulky and does not take long to replace

Assuming you're carrying the tube, tyre spoons, a pump, some sort of lubricant and find a support for the bike in the case of the front tyre, timewise you're kidding, right ?Question
In the days when I used tubes yes I did have enough with me to change a tube. Had to do it on the occasion that I found patching a tube is not a good idea.
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